tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post1047811082970931774..comments2024-03-19T03:18:54.509-06:00Comments on Hot Chicks Dig Smart Men: What the Fuck is Wrong With These People? - OK House Bill 2211Janiecehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06223994862015217811noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-45485089113617556072008-03-10T16:37:00.000-06:002008-03-10T16:37:00.000-06:00Damn, Jim got there before me. All the really sma...Damn, Jim got there before me. All the really smart kids will make up ridiculous answers and then claim religious right. Bye bye studying, hello bullshit machine!Anne C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09444051201220766948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-78941730502779699922008-03-10T13:45:00.000-06:002008-03-10T13:45:00.000-06:00And we could always tattoo the "special" diploma o...And we could always tattoo the "special" diploma on their foreheads. Not many letters required, just 18:<BR/><BR/>Jackasus AmericanusJohn the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-72920200406009346852008-03-10T13:43:00.000-06:002008-03-10T13:43:00.000-06:00They will now.They will <I>now</I>.John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-85574337612038512422008-03-10T13:32:00.000-06:002008-03-10T13:32:00.000-06:00John, you're assuming employers check diplomas.John, you're assuming employers <EM>check</EM> diplomas.Janiecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190655869710465713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-55998261358596593672008-03-10T13:15:00.000-06:002008-03-10T13:15:00.000-06:00Jim - I was thinking that kids in OK who invoke th...Jim - I was thinking that kids in OK who invoke the "I don't believe the evidence" clause should get a different diploma from everyone else - a modern day scarlet letter that IDs them to potential employers.John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-41907601087701633322008-03-10T08:49:00.000-06:002008-03-10T08:49:00.000-06:00Man, I wish they had this law when I was a kid - b...Man, I wish they had this law when I was a kid - because I've got to tell you my math teachers and I often disagreed on the correct answer, and it sure would have been handy if I could have just put down whatever the fuck I felt like and then claimed it was correct because Jesus said so.<BR/><BR/>Hysterical - OK schools should print their diplomas on toilet paper. In one fell stroke, OK has rendered every diploma issued in the state not worth the paper it's printed on. Seriously, think about it, even if you agree with and understand science and biology as presented in school - because the law will not allow job and college interviewers to inquire regarding your religious beliefs - interviewers will then have to assume lowest common denominator for anybody graduating from OK schools and colleges. Additionally, I'm curious how OK will handle national standards such as the ACT/SAT tests, and the NCLB National Standardized Testing battery. what happens when students pull this bullshit on the SAT? or better yet, on the National Standardized Test, and the school systems start losing federal funding? Whoops, might be time to rethink this silly nonsense. Of course, OK could go it alone - smugly raising the next generation of superstitious, pig farming, peasants. <BR/><BR/>Yeah, it's things like this that make me think about joining the Alaskan Independence movement.Jim Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11259550121437562338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-32752520884851739842008-03-10T07:14:00.000-06:002008-03-10T07:14:00.000-06:00Michelle, I think Catholics are higher up the chai...Michelle, I think Catholics are higher up the chain than the LDS folks. They seem to be everyone's favorite pariah.Janiecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190655869710465713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-75874829686183214232008-03-10T06:43:00.000-06:002008-03-10T06:43:00.000-06:00Vince, It could be worse. My family is Catholic.Ma...Vince, <BR/><BR/>It could be worse. My family is Catholic.<BR/><BR/>Many evangelicals don't even consider Catholics to be Christian.Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-73578747943316671602008-03-09T20:39:00.000-06:002008-03-09T20:39:00.000-06:00Vince, it's people like you and Shawn who give me ...Vince, it's people like you and Shawn who give me hope, actually. The religious right FDWAL's (freeze-dried whack-a-loons) make me want to get all militantly atheist, even though I'm not an atheist. Moderate folks who understand that forcing you ideology on others is Bad Thing make me feel better.<BR/><BR/>So hurray for people of faith who don't make me go all Dawkins-ish.Janiecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190655869710465713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-43191765907781840342008-03-09T20:28:00.000-06:002008-03-09T20:28:00.000-06:00The problem with these people is they play "follow...The problem with these people is they play "follow the leader." Like unthinking robots, they swallow whatever their pastor/minister/leader says and regurgitate it without ever even <I>thinking</I> to question, or investigate for themselves.<BR/><BR/>Janiece, I really don't think the problems is an inability to compromise. It's a willful ignorance of what the Constitution stands for, how and why it came to be the way it is, and a fierce desire to force their beliefs on all others.<BR/><BR/>By the way, try being a Christian who does not conform to these people's warped version of Christianity. They can be vicious when attacking what they see as heresy. In a different place and time, people like Shawn and I would be in deep doodoo.<BR/><BR/>Of course, with some intelligence and reading skills, you can usually confuse them until they chase their tales in frustration :-).<BR/><BR/>John, homeschooling is perfectly legal in Oklahoma, and explicitly allowed by the state's constitution.vincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16955307244053931069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-62266728439825913482008-03-09T18:57:00.000-06:002008-03-09T18:57:00.000-06:00Does OK have no home school law? Are there no Fund...Does OK have no home school law? Are there no Fundamentlist Christian schools there? Are there really no alternatives to the devout (devout what I leave open to debate)?<BR/><BR/>It's things like this that make me believe that the state should get out of the education business altogether.John the Scientisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03467337009577733553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-68194043138607363212008-03-09T16:54:00.000-06:002008-03-09T16:54:00.000-06:00So now we know. Oklahoma sucks!But that's a good ...So now we know. Oklahoma sucks!<BR/><BR/>But that's a good thing, otherwise Texas would slide off into the Gulf.<BR/><BR/>WTFIWWTP!<BR/><BR/>(but that makes me think, "What The Fuck Is World Wide Toilet Paper?")<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I have known functionally illiterate people who are capable of living in this world. One was my ex-wife's first husband. Makes me fear for the 3 girls (maybe more by now) he was raising.<BR/><BR/>The world doesn't really care if you believe in it.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00273212686600552771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-43292261741675622632008-03-09T16:20:00.000-06:002008-03-09T16:20:00.000-06:00Shawn, I think you have just discovered the root o...Shawn, I think you have just discovered the root of all evil in current American politics - the inability to compromise.<BR/><BR/>Sigh.Janiecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190655869710465713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-39799983257250972552008-03-09T15:53:00.000-06:002008-03-09T15:53:00.000-06:00Janiece - Yeah, I agree that the compromise would ...Janiece - Yeah, I agree that the compromise would be good, if not incredibly sad... My wish would be that the <I>children</I> would actually learn the truth, and as they grow, reject such stupidity.<BR/><BR/>The unfortunate truth, however, is that the whackjob fundies won't compromise to such a thing. Any compromise is "of the devil", and must certainly be a path to hell. How dare we fill our children with such lies lies LIES.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, depressing. Generational stupidity, coming soon to a town near you...Shawn Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15186686711412505957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-49836878262413845872008-03-09T14:18:00.000-06:002008-03-09T14:18:00.000-06:00I worship the Great A'Tuin, who carries four giant...I worship the Great A'Tuin, who carries four giant elephants on his back and who, in turn, support the Discworld. I shall speak of this incessantly in Astronomy class.<BR/><BR/>(They probably won't have a problem with the flat earth part of it.)Nathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00648438549121320566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-72305275153365315042008-03-09T13:58:00.000-06:002008-03-09T13:58:00.000-06:00In my religion, Algebra is a thing of the devil. ...In my religion, Algebra is a thing of the devil. I should be able to take pottery instead and still graduate.<BR/><BR/>Also, I believe in sacrificing a chicken to relieve test anxiety. If the school won't provide me an altar and let me carry a chicken knife, it would interfere with my freedom of religion.Jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02473415569376925543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-1135515305729464802008-03-09T12:40:00.000-06:002008-03-09T12:40:00.000-06:00(boggle)Excuse me, I think I need to go look at pi...(boggle)<BR/><BR/>Excuse me, I think I need to go look at pictures of fluffy happy things for awhile.Random Michelle Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13817444379694818074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-14540331601710804692008-03-09T12:10:00.000-06:002008-03-09T12:10:00.000-06:00Shawn, I could live with that compromise. I don't...Shawn, I could live with that compromise. I don't think the school has the right to ridicule someones religious beliefs, but there <EM>is</EM> a certain level of fact-based knowledge that should be required in order to be considered educated.<BR/><BR/>This topic depresses me, too. It seems so obvious to me, and I don't understand why people just can't seem to grasp the concept of <EM>separation of church and state.</EM>Janiecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14190655869710465713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9112925820320944611.post-45294017658366077372008-03-09T11:55:00.000-06:002008-03-09T11:55:00.000-06:00I know many Young Earth Creationists. I adamantly...I know many Young Earth Creationists. I adamantly disagree with their views, of course, but if they want to believe such rubbish -- I think that's their right.<BR/><BR/>Here's the deal though, the kids need to function in a world that doesn't think the same way they do. Even if kids are taught to think YECish, they also need to be educated as to what the rest of the (sane) world believes, so that they can function in society.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the bill is the most absurd form of cow towing I've ever seen. Here's what I think should be allowed:<BR/><BR/>1) Student must learn material as presented. Science is taught scientifically, and must be learned as such.<BR/><BR/>2) Children must answers questions correctly, according to the scientific material provided.<BR/><BR/>3) Here's the "freedom of religion" part: A student, after answering the question correctly, should be allowed to politely note that they disagree with the scientific evidence provided, and are answering based on the textbook answer, not their true beliefs. Period. Their declaration should not affect their grade one way or another, and if they get the answer wrong, they should get no points for said wrong answers.<BR/><BR/>This topic depresses me...Shawn Powershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15186686711412505957noreply@blogger.com